Q&A: Indonesia’s new capital chief Bambang Susantono

Man in control of capital mission tells Al Jazeera he's assured Nusantara might be a ‘habitable and loveable’ place.

East Kalimantan, Indonesia – Indonesia is transferring ahead with its plans to construct a brand new capital metropolis — referred to as Nusantara — in East Kalimantan, on the island of Borneo.

The mission is anticipated to value roughly $34bn, and authorities hope will probably be full by 2045.

Nusantara is meant to alleviate among the environmental pressures going through the present capital Jakarta, which, aside from being polluted and congested, is the world’s fastest-sinking metropolis.

Authorities have pitched the brand new capital as a mannequin for sustainable and inclusive growth.

However the mission can be controversial — with some involved concerning the impact on Indigenous communities and the atmosphere, and likewise questions on whether or not the mission will be completed on time, or certainly, in any respect.

Bambang Susantono, an engineer, economist, and former performing minister for transportation, was appointed as the pinnacle of the Nusantara Capital Authority in early 2022.

He spoke to Al Jazeera’s Jessica Washington on the website of the brand new capital to share his views on the progress that has been made and his message for individuals who doubt that Indonesia will be capable to end the bold mission.

Al Jazeera: How is the development going?

Bambang Susantono: 2023 might be a busy yr for us. In fact, subsequent yr may even be busy for us. However this yr, we'll begin all the development, particularly for the fundamental infrastructure and important buildings. However not simply that. That's simply the hardware. We wish to see the software program. We put all of the programs in place, we're doing social empowerment for native individuals.

These are the identical significance for us. In order that when now we have an entire ecosystem for Nusantara to be a habitable and likewise, loveable metropolis. We wish to have each — habitable and loveable goes hand-in-hand. In order that Nusantara might be probably the greatest sustainable forest cities on this planet.

Al Jazeera: What is going to Nusantara appear like sooner or later?

Bambang: The entire space of Nusantara might be 256,000 hectares [632,600 acres]. That’s about three and a half occasions bigger than Singapore. In that space, solely 25 p.c might be constructed because the city atmosphere— and this have to be a inexperienced, city atmosphere.

The remaining 75 p.c might be inexperienced, and 65% might be tropical forest. When you see round right here, that is truly a manufacturing forest. We wish to replant it — we name it reforestation, we wish it to be a tropical forest once more.

A wide view of the site of Nusantara. Trees have been felled and there is lots of bare earth. Trucks are moving about on dirt roads and there is a crane and a couple of excavators. There are trees in the foreground.
Indonesia’s new capital is being carved out of principally manufacturing forest on the island of Borneo [Jessica Washington/ Al Jazeera]

We do hope that the sustainable forest metropolis might be at the least a carbon-neutral metropolis by 2045. Carbon impartial means utilizing the tropical forest as a carbon sink, and we attempt to management the city atmosphere as a inexperienced atmosphere.

Al Jazeera: Why are some environmental teams nonetheless involved about this mission? I imagine some have used the phrase ‘ecological catastrophe’. Why may they've that view?

Bambang: Due to our previous practices, if you happen to see among the areas right here, they haven't so good environmental circumstances. There's unlawful mining, and a few plantations contained in the forest. These are issues we wish to reverse.

If we take into consideration these items, we're speaking concerning the previous. We wish to actually show, this might be a metropolis for the long run, with the inexperienced, sensible, inclusive, and sustainable traits. I can say, for my part, that is our hope of the worldwide marketing campaign in opposition to local weather change, world marketing campaign for higher biodiversity, and world marketing campaign for the atmosphere.

Let’s see this as all people’s concern — if we will do it in Nusantara, we will replicate it on a world scale.

Al Jazeera: Let’s speak about inclusivity. I do know there are some actions for individuals who already reside right here, together with varied coaching actions. However what about for Indigenous individuals for this space?

Bambang: We've got to respect them. The Indigenous individuals, the native knowledge. That must be a part of our growth course of. That's the reason now we have some inclusive boards, attempting to get dialogue with all of the stakeholders. So they are going to be a part of our growth half sooner or later.

We're going to respect and incorporate the native knowledge. In fact, this might be a global-class metropolis. It’s not only for Indonesia, the usual might be worldwide commonplace. Particularly on the ESG — atmosphere, social and governance. The social half consists of inclusivity, the place all of the stakeholders, particularly Indigenous individuals might be a part of the method.

There are steps that now could be being sorted out by the ministry of spatial plan and agrarian — find out how to be extra concerned and inclusive. There's a course of in fact. There's some dialogue course of. There are some anthropologists and sociologist research.

Typically, we'll give some room for dialogue for them to have dialogue with us, not simply dialogue with us however all of the stakeholders. Typically, between or amongst them there might be disagreements, so now we have to see the social and anthropological research associated to this and put that as supplies for these instances.

Al Jazeera: When it comes to paying for this mission, what are the challenges and alternatives?

Bambang: We all know the state of affairs of the world is just not so vibrant proper now. We're in the midst of restoration from COVID-19, now we have local weather change, now we have battle in some components of the world. Battle, local weather change and COVID-19.

Regardless of all that, there are nonetheless traders that wish to spend money on among the tasks that may have some assure within the subsequent 10 to fifteen years. Nusantara has some public-private partnership schemes, there are non-public finance schemes, there are blended finance schemes.

From that angle, this can be a good mission to spend money on. We additionally would additionally wish to put a stamp on the ESG — anybody who invests on this mission will see this credibility and see this can be a good mission, not simply good for return however good for ESG.

After the market sounding instantly by our President on the finish of final yr, there was lots of worldwide curiosity from traders. Those which might be severe are from UAE, from Saudi Arabia, China, South Korea and the US. Some are exploring in additional element, in fact they've to hold out research, to see the atmosphere right here. Hopefully, by the subsequent quarter, we'll see who is actually in. Some will not be in proper now however are doing their procedures. We're opening up alternatives for them.

Al Jazeera: What would you say to individuals who doubt whether or not the mission will be accomplished?

Bambang: By 2024, we wish to have a showcase. Maybe solely 921 hectares [2,276 acres] or a most of 1,000 hectares [2,471 acres]. Within the 1,000 hectares, we'll display now we have an entire ecosystem. A metropolis that has a self-propelled character.

If individuals really feel possession for this metropolis, will probably be sustainable, no matter political circumstances. If it's a habitable and loveable metropolis – you possibly can see the air high quality is sweet. We may have a ten-minute metropolis so you possibly can attain locations inside 10 minutes, and you'll stroll with consolation right here. It will likely be someplace that individuals like to reside — working, studying and residing

See Nusantara as a metropolis for tomorrow. This might be accomplished in 2045. Some individuals ask me, Bambang, what is going to town be like? Will or not it's like Avatar? Like Wakanda? You may dream about that. I believe with the traits of sensible, inexperienced, inclusive, and resilient, town might be sustainable for the long run.

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